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Sydney nurses' alleged threats 'stupid things said by stupid people', court told

An Israeli content creator recorded a video chat with two Sydney nurses who allegedly threatened Israeli patients. The nurses have pleaded not guilty, and their lawyers argue the recording was illegally obtained. The court is weighing whether the conversation was private or public.

By Tertius News AI Desk 1 outlet · 2 articles Version 1 Coverage Jun 1–4, 2026 Published Aug 13

Lead

A court has heard that an online video chat between an Israeli content creator and two Sydney nurses, which led to their dismissal and criminal charges, involved "stupid things said by stupid people." The remark was made during legal proceedings over the alleged threats made by the nurses against Israeli patients.

Ahmad Rashad Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebdeh, both former nurses at Bankstown Hospital, are facing charges after a conversation with Max Veifer on the cam chat app Chatruletka in February 2025 was recorded and published on social media. The pair have pleaded not guilty to using a carriage service to menace, harass, or offend. Abu Lebdeh also denies an additional charge of threatening violence to a group.

Coverage Comparison

Two reports from ABC Australia, the country's public broadcaster, have covered the case. Both focus on the legal arguments surrounding the video recording, with one emphasizing the content of the conversation and the other highlighting the defense's claim that the recording was unlawful. The coverage is generally neutral and informative, avoiding sensational language.

Key Claims

The Recording: Max Veifer recorded a conversation with the two nurses on Chatruletka and published it on social media. He said he wanted to "warn our people." (reported by both sources)
The Allegations: During the conversation, the nurses allegedly said they refused to treat Israeli patients and made threats to kill them. They also allegedly bragged about such actions. (reported by both sources)
The Defense: The nurses' lawyers argue the video was obtained illegally, violating a NSW law that prohibits recording private conversations without consent. (reported by both sources)
The Court's Consideration: The court is currently considering whether the conversation was private or public, which will affect the admissibility of the video. (reported by both sources)
Veifer's Motive: Veifer stated he recorded the chats for his own protection and posted this particular video because he was "really worried about their statements." He denied intending to get the nurses fired. (reported by one source)

Perspectives

Defense Perspective

The defense, led by Greg James KC, argues that Veifer illegally recorded a private conversation in NSW, pointing to a surveillance devices law that prohibits such recordings without consent. James described Veifer's activities as "vigilante activity," suggesting he intentionally sought out opposing views to record and publish.

Prosecution/Veifer's Perspective

Veifer contends that he records all his Chatruletka conversations for his own protection, especially as an Israeli. He said he published the video to alert authorities to the nurses' statements. The prosecution appears to rely on the context of the conversation and the intent behind the threats.

Analysis

The central legal question is whether the conversation on Chatruletka can be considered "private" under NSW law. If the court rules that it was not private, the video may be admissible as evidence. This case highlights tensions between privacy rights and the public interest in exposing potential threats. The defense's characterization of the comments as "stupid things said by stupid people" suggests a strategy to downplay the seriousness of the remarks, while the prosecution aims to uphold the charges as legitimate concerns about public safety.

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ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC

Framing: Our reading Neutral, focusing on the facts of the case — Informative, without emotional language or sensationalism

Facts Included:

Israeli content creator Max Veifer recorded a conversation with two Sydney nurses on the cam chat app Chatruletka
The nurses, Ahmad Rashad Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebdeh, allegedly threatened Israeli patients and bragged about refusing to treat them
Veifer published the conversation on social media, saying he wanted to 'warn our people'
The nurses have pleaded not guilty to charges of using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend
The defence argues the video was obtained illegally due to a NSW law prohibiting the recording of private conversations without consent

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ABC Australia as of Jun 4, 2026, 6:00 AM UTC

Framing: Our reading Neutral, focusing on the legal aspects of the case — Informative, with a focus on the legal complexities of the case

Facts Included:

The conversation between the Israeli content creator and the Sydney nurses was recorded on the cam chat app Chatruletka
The nurses allegedly said they refused to treat Israeli patients and made threats to kill them
The defence argues the video was unlawfully obtained, breaking a NSW law that prohibits the recording of a private conversation without consent
The court is considering whether the conversation was private or public
The Israeli content creator may be required to give evidence in person

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Claim	Confidence	Status
ClaimAn Israeli content creator, Max Veifer, recorded a conversation with two Sydney nurses, Ahmad Rashad Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebdeh, on the cam chat app Chatruletka.	ConfidenceHigh	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC
ClaimThe nurses allegedly threatened Israeli patients and bragged about refusing to treat them during the conversation.	ConfidenceHigh	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC
ClaimMax Veifer published the conversation on social media, saying he wanted to 'warn our people'.	ConfidenceHigh	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC
ClaimThe nurses have pleaded not guilty to charges of using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend.	ConfidenceHigh	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC
ClaimThe defence argues that the video was obtained illegally due to a NSW law prohibiting the recording of private conversations without consent.	ConfidenceHigh	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 1, 2026, 8:31 AM UTC
ClaimThe court is considering whether the conversation was private or public.	ConfidenceMedium	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 4, 2026, 6:00 AM UTC
ClaimMax Veifer may be required to give evidence in person at the trial.	ConfidenceMedium	StatusSingle-source via ABC Australia as of Jun 4, 2026, 6:00 AM UTC

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1 outlet · 2 articles consulted: ABC Australia 7 claims extracted Version 1 Written 2026-08-13